Research record

Kept In, They Get in the Way

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In plain English

What we asked. Keeping easy sums in the training mix all the way through had stopped a small model learning a hard sum, but in that test the hard sum was only a quarter of the data. Was it just seeing too little of the hard sum?

What we found. No. With the hard sum three quarters of the data, as much as the model sees when the easy sums come first, keeping them in still stopped every one of 16 runs learning it. Plain training with no easy sums managed 5; easy sums as a short opening phase, 11.

Why it matters. Easy practice helps at the start and gets in the way later. When it happens matters, not how much of the real task the model sees.

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EXPLORATORY. Not a preregistered study. Local CPU, 48 training runs of 8000 steps on sixteen fresh seeds. The design and the kill test were committed (0838673) before any run.

Program v2 Bucket A, item A50. Decisive computation: analysis/sum_mixture_dominant.py. Output: analysis/sum_mixture_dominant.json.

The question

A48 found that keeping easy sums mixed in with the hard sum (2, 7) for the whole run leaves every seed at chance, while the same sums as an early phase solve thirteen of sixteen -- but its throughout arm saw the hard sum only a quarter of the time. With the hard sum's exposure matched, does the early phase still win?

Kept in the mix, easy sums get in the way even when the hard sum dominates
Kept in the mix, easy sums get in the way even when the hard sum dominates. Three recipes that see about the same amount of the hard sum: easy sums as an early phase; easy sums mixed in throughout with the hard sum three quarters of the data; and no easy sums at all. As an early phase, easy sums help most. Kept in, they do worse than no easy sums at all: no run learns the hard sum. It is the timing, not how much of the hard sum the model sees.

Design: A18's task at 0.003, 8000 steps, sixteen fresh seeds 18001-18016. Early: A40's arm. Throughout, hard-dominant: every step draws (2, 7) with probability 3/4, one of (2,3)/(2,4)/(2,5) otherwise -- about 6000 hard-sum steps, as the early arm has. Plain: a 500-step learning-rate warm-up. Endpoint: steps to 0.9 (never = 8000). Kill test, fixed before execution: early minus throughout includes zero or lies above it. Anchor, in code: the early arm reproduces A40's mixed run on its first seed -- held.

Results

Arm (sixteen fresh seeds)Median steps to 0.9Solved by 8000
early phase, then the hard sum365011
easy sums kept in, hard sum 3/4 of the data8000 (budget)0
plain, learning-rate warm-up8000 (budget)5
Paired difference in steps to solve
early minus throughout-2939.4 [-4168.8, -1710.0]
early minus plain-2446.9 [-3532.6, -1361.2]
throughout minus plain+492.5 [+23.1, +961.9]

The kill test does not fire. With the hard sum seen as often as in the early arm, keeping easy sums in throughout still solves the task on no seed -- fewer than the plain run, which sees no easy sums at all and solves five. The interval against plain lies above zero (slower), and it understates the gap, since both are censored at the budget.

What it says

A48's confound is resolved: it is not under-exposure. Easy sums help as an early phase and actively get in the way when kept in. With A39 and A41 -- two of the easy pairs, trained on at length, delay learning of the target by thousands of steps -- the picture is of easy material that is useful for laying down the operation and a shared component early, and a distraction once the model needs to commit to the target's specific combination. That is the opposite of what arXiv 2410.03569's throughout-mixing did for its (much larger, differently structured) problem, and the same as the copy task's A17.

What stands

  • A50: kill test does not fire. Early minus throughout, exposure matched: -2939.4 [-4168.8, -1710.0] steps; solved 11 against 0.
  • Easy sums kept in are worse than none (+492.5 [+23.1, +961.9] steps against the plain run; 0 against 5 solved).

Limits

  • One mixing proportion (3/4), sixteen seeds, one budget that censors two of three arms.

Terms on this page

Every piece of vocabulary this record uses, in plain language. Generated from the text above, so it cannot drift out of step with it.

confound
A second explanation you did not control for. If bigger models both learn faster and score higher, then 'fast learners score higher' may be entirely about size and not about speed.
kill test
A condition written down before running the experiment that says what result would make us abandon the idea. Fixing it in advance is what stops a disappointing result being reinterpreted as an encouraging one.
learning rate
How big a step training takes each time it updates the model. Too small and nothing happens; too big and it never settles.
seed
The number that fixes all the randomness in a training run. Same seed, same run. Running several seeds is how you tell a real effect from a lucky one.

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