With Both Tuned, the Warm-Up Is Within Noise
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In plain English
What we asked. After finding that our warm-up results had been measured against a poorly tuned baseline, we tried five learning rates for both plain training and training with the warm-up.
What we found. Each at its own best setting, the warm-up came out 3 points ahead, well within noise. What it really did was move the best setting: plain training liked small steps, the warm-up version liked large ones.
Why it matters. Tune both the new method and the old one before comparing them. Here that erased the result.
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EXPLORATORY. Not a preregistered study. Local CPU,48new training runs of6000steps plus32re-used. The design and the kill test were committed (989e006) before any run.
Program v2 Bucket A, item A31. Decisive computation: . Output: analysis/warmup_tuned.py.analysis/warmup_tuned.json
The question
A29 found every copy-task warm-up record compared against an untuned rate: at 0.005 the plain run reaches 0.763 and the 1500-step warm-up adds nothing. With each arm at its own best rate, does the warm-up beat the plain run?
Design: A15's task and seeds (J8's donor seeds), width 48, 6000 steps. Fixed lag 8 and A15's 1500-step shuffled warm-up at rates 0.002, 0.003, 0.007 (new), 0.005 (A29) and 0.01 (A15). Each arm's best rate by mean final accuracy; both tuned on the same seeds. Kill test, fixed before execution: best shuffled minus best fixed, paired, includes zero or lies below it; a best rate at a grid edge is reported as not found. Anchor, in code: fixed at 0.005 on the first seed reproduces A29 exactly -- held.
Results
| Rate | Fixed lag 8 | Shuffled warm-up, then lag 8 |
|---|---|---|
0.002 | 0.694 [0.673, 0.715] | 0.594 [0.544, 0.643] |
0.003 | 0.768 [0.728, 0.808] | 0.628 [0.589, 0.667] |
0.005 | 0.763 [0.715, 0.812] | 0.729 [0.696, 0.762] |
0.007 | 0.735 [0.686, 0.785] | 0.796 [0.764, 0.828] |
0.01 | 0.575 [0.492, 0.657] | 0.790 [0.765, 0.815] |
The kill test fires. Each arm's best rate is inside the grid (fixed 0.003, shuffled 0.007), so both are found. Best shuffled minus best fixed is +0.028 [-0.025, +0.080]: with both tuned, the warm-up's advantage is within noise. At 0.01 it was +0.215; almost all of that was the plain run's poor rate.
The two arms prefer different rates. The plain run is best at 0.003 and falls off sharply above 0.005; the warm-up arm is best at 0.007-0.01 and is worse than the plain run at every rate up to 0.005. The warm-up lets training use a larger rate without the damage a large rate otherwise does early -- which is what a learning-rate warm-up is for, and A33 found a 375-step rate warm-up does it better.
What it says
Against the best constant rate, the 1500-step data warm-up is not an efficiency gain. The thread's effect is real and specific at a high rate, and it is the effect of protecting the first steps from that rate. Two questions remain, and they are the honest end of the thread:
- A34 -- A30's
100-step lag-5burst, the strongest data warm-up, at the plain run's best rate and its neighbours. - A35 -- whether a data burst adds anything on top of a learning-rate warm-up, which is the baseline every modern recipe already uses; and the rate warm-up's own peak tuned, since at
0.01it reached0.894, above the best constant rate.
What stands
- A31: kill test fires. Best shuffled (
0.796at0.007) minus best fixed (0.768at0.003):+0.028[-0.025, +0.080]. - The warm-up shifts the best rate upward (
0.003to0.007) rather than raising what training reaches.
Limits
- Selection on the same eight seeds that measure the difference; the bias is shared by both arms but not removed.
- Five rates, constant schedules only.
Terms on this page
Every piece of vocabulary this record uses, in plain language. Generated from the text above, so it cannot drift out of step with it.
- accuracy
- The fraction of answers a model gets right on questions it was not trained on.
- baseline
- The thing you compare against. A result without one is not a result.
- kill test
- A condition written down before running the experiment that says what result would make us abandon the idea. Fixing it in advance is what stops a disappointing result being reinterpreted as an encouraging one.
- learning rate
- How big a step training takes each time it updates the model. Too small and nothing happens; too big and it never settles.
- seed
- The number that fixes all the randomness in a training run. Same seed, same run. Running several seeds is how you tell a real effect from a lucky one.
- width
- How many internal numbers a model uses at each layer. The usual way we vary model size in these experiments.
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